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remember that accident i got in with the pole, and i had to make a claim and all that? is that whole thing still dragging on? no, i took some pics with the app and... filed a claim, but... you know how they send you money to cover repairs and... they took forever to pay you, right? no, i got paid right away, but... at the very end of it all, my agent... wouldn't even call you back, right? no, she called to see if i was happy. but if i wasn't happy with my claim experience for any reason, they'd give me my money back, no questions asked. can you believe that? no. the claim satisfaction guarantee, only from allstate. switching to allstate is worth it. they blew it. we sort of knew they -- at least as an abstract matter, we knew they might blew it. but then, you know what? i was lulled into it, the opposite of complacency, a sense of excitement. they themselves seemed so excited about it. and the white house kind of went out on a limb about how excited
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the president was personally about it. so even though i know better, it seemed for a second like okay, maybe this ching is a priority for them. maybe this means so much to them that this one on this one thing, they will actually get it done. they did not get it done. i should have known. the hype started last saturday morning when they announced they were going to go ahead with the last remaining files from the jfk assassination. on wednesday the president tweeted about it again. he wants to keep people focussed on this. he seems personally excited about it. then yesterday the day before the files are released. these are files about him being killed in dallas in 1963, the day before the release of the fie files the white house had trump fly into dallas like jfk did.
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they had trump fly specifically into love field, where jfk flew in. they had him do a reception line on the tarmac. trump did it right where jfk did it in dallas at love field on the day that he was killed. and that was either really bad staff work that they didn't notice that exact parallel they were setting up for our current president yesterday, or if it was on purpose, that they put him in a rope line at love field in dallas on the occasion of the release of the files. if they did it on purpose, that was creepy. the president has entertained his own conspiracy theories about president kennedy's assassination. his own idea was ted cruz dad it. he's also had the idea that
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president obama was a fake baby, just a stunt baby in hawaii because the real baby, barack obama, was in africa. right? so he -- he's a conspiracy theory minded guy. when the president was tweeting about the jfk release yesterday he not only made up a hash tag for it. he also said that the release of the jfk files was going to be so interesting. that characterization made it seem like maybe the president had even seen what is in these new files that are about to be released. so maybe he's making a characterization as to who what is in them. well, we don't know. they blew it. because they blew it. in 1992 congress passed a law that requires the national archives to release all the remaining documents in their possession related to the jfk assassination. and related to the investigation into the assassination. they have to release all the
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documents including the several thousand documents that had previously been held back by the government as too sensitive for the government to see. by that law passed in 1992, they are supposed to release completely every word. now, what if there's information in those files that are still too sensitive for the public to see? even more than a half century down the road? well, on the odd chance that the national security elements of the federal government think there's something in the files that's too sensitive to be let out, well, that's part of the gig of managing the release of these documents from the federal government. i mean, to be clear, under the letter of the law, if the president wants to let all this out with zero read actions, can do. but if there is something in these files that the fbi or the cia or some other government agency really wants redacted, they don't want it out there, they say it's dangerous to let it out, then part of the work of
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dealing with this release of documents is that the administration has to account for that. they have to arrange for the redactions to happen before the release date. remember, the release date is mandated by law. so you have to arrange for all the work around the redactions to get done. this is not like an -- this is not an abstract concept about the law here. this is actually a job which requires people to do it. it takes time and effort. it takes reading comp henrehens skills. it's work real humans need to do by a deadline. an, of course, as we all know, work is hard. and the trump administration apparently forgot about the work part of their responsibilities here, and they just didn't do it. i mean, this was supposed to be release day. by law, this is release day. the president, the white house, they appear to have really
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thought it was going to be release day. right? they did the tweets. they sent trump to do his act like jfk act on the rope line at the love field tarmac and everything. but when the clock struck midnight last night and no documents were released and the this morning rolled around and nothing was released and today rolled on, finally nbc news got u.s. official intelligence to admit to them the work -- the documents spelling out what's supposed to be redacted, that didn't get finished. or maybe the dog ate it. it wasn't ready to go. at 5:00 p.m. eastern time the national archives told russ kick that the jfk documents release was not going to be cancelled today, but they also said, quote, we currently do not have a time frame. again, that was close of business today. the law says this has to happen
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today, all the documents. later this evening the trump white house had to issue a new order on the subject saying, okay, let's shoot for april, 2018 instead. maybe that's a more realistic idea. so some documents they did post tonight. this is not the release they were supposed to be making tonight. we'll talk with an expert about what went wrong here today, and what we did get, what subset of documents we did finally get after 7:30 p.m. tonight when they finally posted a subset of the documents. what happened here big picture though is that they blew it. right? they just didn't get the work done. nothing surprising happened today which resulted in this getting messed up. it's not like nobody -- it's nothing nobody could see this deadline coming for a 25 years. today's date was set in law 25 years ago.
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but the trump administration had no idea. they thought you just make the announcement on twitter and it's done. right? if you are not a fan of this president or of the goals of this administration, you can sort of take your pick as to how to look at this recurring dynamic in the administration. it is either terrible news to you, or it's great news to you that the trump administration really cannot seem to get things done that they are trying to do. they set their mind to stuff. they set their twitter feed to stuff. they announce stuff. you know, sometimes it's serious stuff. sometimes it's stupid stuff, but on everything from repealing obamacare to spelling the name of the british prime minister, it just -- it just -- they can't get it done. so i feel like we have to kind of rewire our national media expectations a little bit. we have to rewire at least political media. i think political media, beltway
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media for good reason is conditioned to cover politics in large part by figuring out what the administration wants to do, their intentions, if there are splits, who's going to win the fight within the administration. there's tons of shoe leather, tons of ink spilled in the political press on what the goals are of the administration. what their plans are. that's what makes up a significant portion of american political media. in a normal administration, that tells you what's going to happen. in this administration figuring out what they want to do or what they think they're doing, that doesn't have any relation to what actually gets done. we're going to release all the jfk files. we have to do work to make that happen? we'll do it in april. i mean -- that was the jfk thing. here's another one from today's news. you might remember in the aftermath of the oil spill in 2010 it emerged the oil
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companies drilling in the gulf at the time, they were supposed to have a detailed emergency response plans in place in case anything went wrong with an underwater drilling rig. but when a true disaster happened at one of the rigs, it turns out their emergency response plans were ridiculous. their plans for the gulf of mexico, for example, went into great detail about how people on scene should call this one scientist in particular for advice on one important point about the response to an oil spill. that scientist listed in the emergency response plan was years dead. the oil companies also suggested detailed protocols in their emergency response plans for how local walruses should be protected from any spilled oil. walruses are adorable, and everybody wants them to be safe in the event of an oil spill, but walruses live in the arctic. that's why they got the cute
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beards, they get cold. walruses don't live in the gulf of mexico. what are they doing in all the oil company's gulf of mexico emergency plans? no, really, what are they doing there, ceo of exxon? >> mr. tillerson, like bp on page 11-6 of your plan, exxon mobile's gulf of mexico oil spill response plan lists walruses under sensitive biological and human resources. as i'm sure you know, there aren't any walruses in the gulf of mexico, and there have not been for 3 million years. how can exxon mobile have walruses in their response plan for the gulf of mexico? >> congressman, those response plans incorporate a number of broad base plans. >> these are regional oil spill
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response plans. how can walruses be in a response plan for the gulf of mexico? this is a regional response plan that each of you had to put together. >> i understand. it's unfortunate that walruses were included. and it's an embarrassment that they were included. >> before rex tillerson was donald trump's secretary of state, he was an exxon ceo embarrassed about his walruses. part of that terrible disaster in the gulf was the fact that the industry was completely unprepared to deal with the harm that they could cause. when the company's plans for dealing with that type of disaster were dug up, it showed how much they did not care, and how much they actually weren't ready for that kind of disaster. because that stupid plan even if they had followed it, might have saved the walruses if there were any there, but it wasn't a real plan for dealing with this kind of catastrophe f. right now we
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have a different kind of long running disaster, and this time it's not a company with explaining to do about the response. it's the federal government. there's an important scoop today about fema and the hurricane response plan for puerto rico that was prepared by fema. fema reportedly had a detailed, long, granular hurricane response plan for a large storm hitting puerto rico. that's fascinating news, because if they did have a detailed more than 100-page plan for how to defend and restore puerto rico, it's hard to believe what fema has done in response was according to that or any plan. right? six weeks without electricity or running water? 3.5 million americans put into the stone ages for going on two months? it seems like something you wouldn't plan to do in the wake of a storm on any size.
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what was fema's plan for how they were supposed to handle a catastrophe? just today it was discovered that's a secret. fema initially said sure, we'll send you our puerto rico hurricane response plan. they later decided the hurricane response plan for puerto rico is, quote, potentially sensitive. therefore, they will not release it. other fema hurricane response plans for other parts of the country like hawaii, those, you can get. but puerto rico? no. now a secret. as puerto rico stretches into its sixth week of disaster with only one in ten schools reopening with power and water still out. who knows if they're following fema's plan? good on them for trying to pry whatever the plan was supposed to be out of fema. apparently, they're not going to let that out over the freedom of information act. it's going to take other
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fighting. we saw the same kind of management skills on display in another natural disaster in our country today. the opioid crisis. d.c. news today, if you felt like haven't i seen these headlines before or heard these before? it's because on august 10th, president trump offhandedly, casually, surprised everybody by declaring the opioid crisis to be a national emergency. he surprised everybody by saying it, but he did take care to say that it was an official proclamation when he made that statement. >> the opioid crisis is an emergency, and i'm saying officially right now, it is an emergency. it's a national emergency. >> president trump said that on august 10th, but you know what? he never signed anything to actually make it official. when people followed up with the president and the white house to find out what it meant, what were the consequences of him
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declaring officially this national emergency, because that's a technical thing. that means something in u.s. government. when people tried to get the written declaration, the written version of the statement from the president, to get the documentation from the white house as to how this declared national emergency would be handled by the federal government, the answer from the white house was that the white house staff was working on that paperwork. the president made his supposedly official declaration august 10th. it turns out white house staff were not working on the paperwork. nothing ever happened in response to the president randomly making what he called an official declaration of a national emergency. that was just apparently something he liked the sound of, so he said it. but they didn't follow up and do the work. we had all the way through the end of august of no news. all the way through september. this far through october. the white house said the
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president would declare a national emergency around opioids for real. he did not. national emergency is a specific official act by the president and by the federal government that results among other things in an allocation of funds from the agency in our government that deals with national emergencies. which is the federal emergency management agency. fema, the same folks who i'm sure had a beautiful printed plan for how to help puerto rico. the president previously said he was declaring a national emergency. that means among other things, money. he said that's what he was doing in august. he apparently didn't mean it. he said something else today. they said it was going to be a national emergency, but that isn't what he said. today he did not declare a national emergency. he declared a public health issue. it sounds similar, but it comes with no funding. to do anything about this emergency that the president has now twice proclaimed without doing anything to wback it up.
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whether you like what the trump administration is trying to do or not, this is a new dynamic at work. and i think the press corps isn't wired to handle it. it's not the way things usually work. we've never seen it before in a presidency where the president and the white house take kind of a wishing and hoping ruby slippers approach to the major responsibilities of the federal government. just because you say you're going to do something or you say something will be done, it doesn't magically happen by you clicking your heels together and putting it on twitter. there's human labor that has to go into making things happen in government, and it's important for the credibility of the united states of america that when a president says something is done or something is going to be done, that means the work will actually be done to make that true. that's regularly not true in this administration. and that's a serious thing for a president to proclaim something
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as a done deal, even when the president is speaking offhandedly at a prez briefing or randomly tweeting something before done. it's important if it's the words of the president, but it's particularly important when the way a president says something is going to be done is that he signs a law declaring that that thing will be done. and requiring him under u.s. law to do that thing. it's one thing if you tweet something or make an offhand comment and don't follow through. if he signs law saying he's going to do something and doesn't, that's the case with the only significant piece of legislation trump has signed since he's become president. it's a remarkable thing, and i think an undercovered thing. and again, it may give you pleasure if you're a person who doesn't like this president or his agenda, but with unified republican control of government for ten months, they have passed zero major legislation of any
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kind. the most substantive legislation, in some counts the only substantive legislation that's been passed, is sanctions legislation. it passed by a veto proof margin. the president didn't have a choice to veto it because of the overwhelming number of votes the bill got. but it was sanctions legislation to punish russia for having muddled in the presidential election last year. it imposed new sanctions on russia for that. that's not just something the government said it wanted to do. that's something the president didn't just say he wanted to do. he signed a law that said he was required to do it. but the deadline for starting those new sanctions was october 1st. october 1st, 2017. october 1st as in 20 25 days ago, and the administration today got around to making their first list of parts of the russian government that might end up being on that sanctions list. no rush. it's just the law and you're almost a month late.
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so -- that's all just stuff that happened today. there's an underappreciated element in this administration. you can really see it on a day like today. and -- i mean, best fake word i can come up with to describe it is nonperformance. they say they're doing stuff, and then they don't follow through. they don't do it. even when the president has personally put himself on a limb to express his enthusiasm for this thing, he does not get done, even when it's a serious mortal disaster for millions of americans. even when it's something he declares he has officially done when he's done nothing and plans to do nothing. and even when it's something that's required by law. and sometimes i think their blatant nonperformance is because they're required to do stuff they don't really want to do. but honestly, i think some of it is just because they can't get it together. they can't get it together to do the human work necessary to establish the things they say
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they're doing. but in light of that widespread recurrent, even constant problem across this administration, it makes it all the more remarkable when it pushes out something they are doing in government. something they're doing with efficien efficiency. that story is ahead tonight. it's something the administration doesn't much want to talk about, but they were forced to today in part because of a 17-year-old girl who beat them in court. and that story is coming up. stay with us.
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the deadline for the national archives to release the
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secret batch of kennedy assassination is a date on the calendar for 25 years. didn't sneak up on anyone. after the president said that release would happen, that on october 26th, they would release all those rorecords, the anticipation started building from the media and the president of the united states himself hyping it on twitter. but then today's the 26 th, and all day long nothing happened. nothing was released. and then well past the close of business, the white house released a new statement saying the new deadline for everything is next april, 2018, and now a portion of the documents that were expected to be released today. so two questions. anything interesting in what did get released? and what went wrong here? i mean, we thought it might be a fiasco of the order like they're crashing the website there's so much interest.
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we did not expect to have nothing until 7:30, and then a weird proportion of the documents which was not supposed to be released. how did they blow this and why? we have a former writer of the new york times, welcome back. great to have you back with us again. >> thank you. i felt like you spoke with unusual clarity last night in terms of telling us what to expect about what might go wrong. i didn't anticipate it would be that we wouldn't get anything until 7:30, and then it would only be a little portion of the documents. do you have any idea of what went wrong? >> what a mess. this is the worst possible scenario. apparently there really has been a mess at the white house the last couple of weeks. even as president was tweeting out assurances to the american people that he was going to open up this vast library of secret documents, there was wild negotiations going on within the administration. the cia and the fbi and apparently the state department
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going to the white house and saying no, you can't release these documents. it appears nobody told that to the president, however. >> in terms of the fbi and the cia and the state department, do we know, i guess, two questions about that. do we know the character of their objections in terms of what they wanted held back? and do we know why that process of them expressing the objections and the things being litigated somehow, why that wasn't handled in advance? again, this deadline has been there for 25 years. everybody knew it was coming. >> the second part of your question, this has been under discussion within government agencies for years and years. they knew this was coming. i mean, there have been people assigned to this task for a very long time. what seems to have happen second down most of the agencies decided months ago what documents they wanted held back, and i guess that was communicated at the white house to some extent, but apparently there was no effort in the white house to organize the appeals. it was handled at the last minute today. apparently the appeals documents
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were landing on the president's desk just this afternoon. >> wow. do we know anything about what the -- how the contention works there? let's say the cia wants something left out of the release documents. who argues on the other side of it? is it an adversarial process, or do the agencies just get what they want? >> i have to say your guess is as good as mine. i think probably the white house general counsel's office was involved. president trump had said he wanted to be a champion of transparency in releasing the documents. there may have been the assumption that these documents would be released. but nobody seems to have focussed on it. it seems to be a mismash of mismanagement the last several weeks on a very important issue. >> in terms of what was released, have you found anything you find to be of interest? >> nobody has had any time yet. reporters and scitizens are trying to pore through them. i will tell you something that's important that i can see from
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the spread sheet of the documents released. we have some idea of what was out there. there were two piles of documents. something about 30,000 documents we'd seen before that had been released in part. we'd seen portions of those documents before, and then there were 3100 sort of super secret documents. and i'll tell you very, very few of the super secret documents are out there tonight. they remain tonight super secret. >> the stuff people were really hoping for hasn't come out and now it may be april? >> yeah, and will it come out at all? we now know the agencies feel strongly it must not come out. i think there's a good possibility we will never see some of this material. >> i have to tell you, it is hard to find somebody to talk to about this that is both clear in speaking but also super level headed about it. use know, this is an excitable topic. thank you for being a voice of sanity for us. i appreciate it. >> my pleasure.
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have you ever had friends who have been together for a while, but then even late in their relationship, they start having issues and you are friends with them. so you try to be supportive and listen to both sides? a political version of that played out on capitol hill today between the chairman of the senate judiciary committee and the top democrat on that committee. after it was reported that the two decided to go their separate
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ways when it comes to their free committee's russia investigation. >> i'm doing what i do. she wants to do what she wants to do, and then we're doing a lot of things together. >> she wants to do what she wants to do. you know there are two sides to every story. >> i think he has interest in proceeding a different way. i think you need to talk to him. i am disappointed, and i hope that as some time goes by we'll be able to work things out. >> even when you're both octogenarians, breaking up is hard to do. so why are grassley and feinstein taking a break? there is a weird possibility it involves another woman. i'm not kidding. that story is coming up. stay with us. ♪when you've got...♪
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flynn. that 81-year-old operative peter smith confesses all of this to a newspaper reporter for "the wall street journal," and then peter smith dies. ten days later, an apparent suicide. a real story, but admittedly, crazy-sounding. we learned the investigation led by robert mueller interviewed somebody peter smith reached out to help in his quest. and now the senate intelligence committee has asked for and has begun to receive documents from the estate of the late peter smith. so yes, it is a crazy-sounding story. it is now an active part of the investigation both at the special counsel level and in the intelligence committees. now, here's the twist. you see here barbara ladiene. he's married to michael ladean who wrote a book with mike flynn
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who is now the subject of many of the parallel criminal investigations as to who what went on with the trump campaign and russia. turns up to the leadup of the campaign, barbara ladean like peter smith, barbara ladean, she too launched her own private investigation into trying to get hillary clinton's e-mails. and the reason we know that is because her quest ended up in redacted fbi files, and this month a source told the guardian newspaper that yes, the person behind that private investigation described in the fbi files, that private investigation into the e-mail server, that person is barbara ledean. that's newsworthy. and that's something that somebody in congress ought to explain. in addition to the trump russia investigation, we have russia investigations going on for
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months in three places. barbara ledeen works for the senate judiciary committee. she works for the chair of that committee for republican senator chuckgrassley. she was a senate judiciary staffer not just while her husband was writing a back with mike flynn, but also while she was mounting her own private investigation into hillary clinton's e-mails. she remains a staffer now. her efforts to track down foreign hackers, getting into hillary clinton's e-mails? that may very well have been the same effort that the late peter smith was involved in. orb it may have been her own separate investigation that followed along the same lines. but either way, that is a strange situation for senator grassley and his committee to be in. i mean, now that the senate intelligence committee down the hall and the house intelligence committee are all showing interest in these conservative activists seeking out foreign
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hackers to try to find hillary clinton's e-mails, and all the other committees and in the special counsel's office, they're interviewing people with first hand knowledge of the efforts. and they're obtaining documents from a dead man's estate, and there's a staff member on board who is also involved in that same kind of effort herself? while everybody else is investigating that? we did hear back from senator grassley's press secretary today confirming, again, that it was barbara ledeen who works for the senate judiciary committee. she works in the judicial nominations unit. they said she, quote, has not had access to any of the committee's investigative materials other than through public records. the spokesperson told us she was instructed not to do any further up followup on this project of hers once the committee learned of her involvement. they have not told us when they
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learned to the private investigation she was running or why they asked her to cut it out. but all this comes to light as the senate judiciary committee's russia investigation appears to have blown up as we reported last night and heard a little bit more moments ago, chairman grassley and diane feinstein agreed to stop working together. they want to focus on different things. the trump russia investigations on capitol hill have been fraught and contentious from the beginning, but now one of them appears to be over. senator feinstein the democrats have made the decision to go and carry it ourselves. they can go ahead and do whatever it is they wanted to do. senator grassley today insists this is not over. there will be cooperation between the sides, and reporters asked senator feinstein what she intends to do differently.
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it's hard to get an abortion in the state of texas even if you're an adult and a u.s. citizen even though it's your constitutional right to get one. if you're a 17-year-old teenager and undocumented and in texas in the custody of the trump administration in a child refugee shelter, in that kags, it's national news if you want to get an abortion.
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tom price resigned under a cloud of corruption accusations. the office of refugee resettlement is part of hhs. and that's the office that runs their refugee shelter in texas where the young woman you heard about recently is being held. they call her jane doe in the case. the office of refugee resettlement is run by e. scott lloyd. he was appointed. he's a long time antiabortion and anti-contraception activist. and he was a strange choice to pick to run the office of refugee resettlement since he has zero experience with refugee resettlement. he also does not have a background in medicine or counseling, but we now know at your extension, he apparently flew himself to texas from washington d.c. so he could personally intervene with a pregnant undocumented teenager in a shelter run by the federal
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government to try to pressure her into not having an abortion. he was questioned about that use of his time and taxpayer resources at a hearing in the house today. >> mr. lloyd, do you have medical do you have medical training of any kind? >> if i need advice regarding any medical situation, i consult the medical -- >> so the answer is no you don't have medical training of any kind? >> no, i don't. >> are you trained to provide counseling services to young people, mr. lloyd? >> again, if counseling services are called for, then i rely on the team of counseling professionals to advise me in my role. >> mr. lloyd explaining he has no medical background, as the head of this federal agency, he decided he would intervene to go counsel a pregnant teenager in a facility run by his agency.
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when jane doe first asked for help. they did not take her to a clinic where she could have an abortion. they took her to a crisis center where all they do is talk women out of get ago portions. here's how she described her experience. >> they brought me to the clinic and they prayed for me. at what she thought was the clinic, it all ended with them praying over her. when she was trying to obtain an
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abortion, that's what they told her was the clinic. that's where they took her from the federal government shelter it it took a team of lawyers fighting for this young woman. it took three separate court decisions before this girl, the federal government -- in this girl's case, the federal government could be stopped, basically, i don't know if they were going to keep her in custody and prevent her from a clinic. until she gave birth against her will. her case is over, she was able to get an abortion yesterday. it's not just her case. by hhs count, they tell us there were 38 refugee girls being held as of march. we don't know how many of those original 38 may have been forced
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to keep pregnancies they did not want. joining us now, a senior staff attorney at the aclu. she's the attorney who represented jane doe in this case. thank you for your time tonight. >> let me ask you. if it is -- in our coverage of this case. we have focused on the office of refugee reset elment. it feels like they've taken a new personally motivated crusading attitude toward this. is that accurate? >> that's absolutely accurate. >> when scott lloyd took office, he made it his personal mission to obstruct -- interfere with abortions, having nothing to do with the rule of what you or what's in the best interest of these minors. >> is it clear in this
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situation, a 16, 17-year-old girl finds out she's pregnant, she has a legal right to get the procedure does. >> the government cannot ban abortion, that's exactly what they did for jane doe. they prohibited the shelter where she was staying to transfer her for any abortion related appointments. they were holding her hostage. blocking the door. the government wouldn't transport her, they wouldn't let the shelter transport her. she had a court appointed guardian, willing to take her to the procedure. and they prohibited her from taking her as well. >> is this a matter of paying for it? >> it is not. she had raised private funds to pay for the procedure itself. and the guardian was willing to transport her. literally, this is about the government stepping aside, and allowing this young woman to access the abortion she decided she wanted to have. >> if they didn't step aside,
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they're forcing her to bring a pregnancy to term that she didn't want to have. >> correct. i do believe that was their goal. >> if we had not intervened, that would have happened. >> we have no way of knowing from hhs how many girls are in this situation. is the case you were able to win here, is it binding precedent? will this guide what happens to other girls? >> the case keeps going. we have a class action request pending with the district court and we're seeing a preliminary injunction as to the class. we're trying to strike down the policy to make sure this doesn't happen to anyone ever again. >> this has been happening. her case got a lot of national attention, because the details were so clear and easy to understa understand some something that's
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happening in a lot of different facilities, a lot of specific places. is this a texas specific problem? >> it is not. there are contracts that contract with the federal government. they have a legal obligation to ensure these minors receive medical care, access to family planning, nevertheless the federal government has instituted a policy that gives scott lloyd the ability to veto any minor's abortion decision, and also forces any minor that requests access to abortion to visit an abortion center. there's forced parental notification to the minor's family about her pregnancy. >> how is your client? how is she doing? >> she's doing -- well, i think everyone is relieved. it's not that -- it's just about jane, it's about all of the minors in custody, and also what the trump administration wants
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the democratic funder was. who had funded the christopher steele dossier, through the opposition research firm in washington, d.c.. we had long known that research had originally been funded by a republican donor who was against trump in the primary. and then after trump locked up the nomination, it had been funded by democratic funders who were sympathetic to hillary clinton. we now know that source of funding was a law firm linked to the dnc and the clinton campaign. there still remains the question of who was the original funder. who is the republican who started doing the work in the first place. we thought we may be getting that tomorrow morning. tomorrow morning had been the deadline for when that information had to be handed over. a judge has just now ruled that will be handed over on monday. instead of tomorrow. so in case that was keeping you up. that does it for us tonight. now it's time for joy reid,


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